Generation come an go, and the memory wont last forever. Debating christianity and religion christian debate forum debating christianity and religion. Apr 22, 2014 religious people and faitheistsmy term for nonbelievers who feel that religion is good for society as a wholehave been using a new strategy against atheists. Debating christianity and religion christian debate forum. When debate with the religious is pointless new humanist. There are all sorts of things you have to consider when picking a subject. Like good debaters, they aim to put us on the defensive, insisting that we deal with this or that deep theological book. Extremists misinterpret the spirit of it and give religion a bad name. Candy browns latest book is an impressive and important work of scholarship that contributes greatly to our understanding of the legal standing of yoga and mindfulness in contexts such as public institutions in the united states where entanglements with religion have been and remain a concern. Can you really convince someone to change their beliefs.
Why its pointless to argue about politics or religion. Who wouldnt rollick at seeing the demented paladins of fundamentalist religion shown just. Despair at a pointless existence is as ancient as our species. Each faith has a set of beliefs that they hold true for themselves and the world its pointless to pick only one book and pretend that this book is the only book of faith. The authors will discuss these questions and more during this conversation on their new book, debating. Debate quotes 281 quotes meet your next favorite book. This is an open forum for everyone to debate religion, faith, or the lack of either. But after appearing at an event alongside a pair of muslim speakers last week, im afraid im having second thoughts.
Following a recent debate and our subsequent talk on the podcast, i wanted to take a deeper look and why i realize religious debates are utterly pointless. Even if you fail to convince someone in a debate that your standpoint is the right one, that doesnt necessarily mean your words will not have an effect. When you start debating politics, religion, and morality you may find yourself attacking an entire belief structure a chain, or interlocked set, of concepts. Surely reading a book or listening to a lecture by an expert is more beneficial than debating a random coworker. Sep 14, 20 following a recent debate and our subsequent talk on the podcast, i wanted to take a deeper look and why i realize religious debates are utterly pointless. Religious people and faitheistsmy term for nonbelievers who feel that religion is good for society as a wholehave been using a new strategy against atheists. I used to believe in a lot of things i dont anymore and discussing them and debating them is the only proper way to sort bad ideas from good ones. Yes, life could be better without religion, but then it could also be better without secularism or humanism. The first book i have read from them is entitled debating for god. For the interest in any book only legal ones and the possible. When debate with the religious is pointless unlike some atheists, i think that debate between the faithful and faithless can be fruitful. Why debates are pointless a psychological point of view.
Atheism is a religion page 9 the best online debate. Popular debating books meet your next favorite book. For i want you to know how great a struggle i have for you and for those at laodicea and for all who have not seen me face to face, that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of gods mystery, which is. I used to believe in a lot of things i dont anymore and discussing them and debating them is. But if you learn more about god and religion, youll realize read more how to debunk religious. Nov 21, 2019 religious topics and prayer used to be a part of the school curriculum and school days in the u. It could be that all existence is a pointless joke, but it is not in fact possible to live ones everyday life as if this were so. Most believers starting point say my religious leader fathers starting point is a book and a belief in something called revelation in that book in other words in magic not a belief in the person or persons or force or forces. Virtually everyone supports religious liberty, and virtually everyone opposes discrimination. Should the law give religion and conscience special protection at all, and if so, why. Were arguing our position for the benefit of lurkers who are reading our words. Jargon, not argument, is your best ally in keeping him. Thats what i am debating here, that the definition of atheism is wrong, because atheism is a religion, backed up by blind faith.
Hindus for instance believe that life originated from the primordial sound leading to a series of events that actually quite mirror the science of evolution. Debating with a hardheaded person is worth it for that reason. I actually agree with you there, definitions in our dictionaries can be very wrong. Their book will serve as a muchneeded point of reference for those interested in. Debating religion with facts usually doesnt work page 6. The answer according to psychology is no, at least in most cases. The core of this book contains the edited transcript of that debate. I refuse to do so because the bible shows it is pointless. Debating the existence of god is a pointless exercise. In theory however debating should be beneficial to one party especially if you show them evidence and truth but having grown up around religious people, i realised along time ago some people dont actually want truth or evidence.
Includes essays written by leading voices in philosophy, religion, and biblical studies. Its easy to be a nonbeliever if you think its a question of extremism or nothing. Cherok, this well crafted narrative is expertly written. But how do we handle the hard questions that arise when exercises of religious liberty seem to discriminate unjustly. Livestreaming and debating jem with christians posted on january 18, 2019 by markbrahmin recently i livestreamed on the heel turn network with kaiser wayne and joachim, both wonderful guys, both believing christians. The authors take the time to lay out their best arguments, then respond to the best arguments of their. How do we promote the common good while respecting conscience in a diverse society. The only time its pointless is when you close yourself off and make it pointless. Jesus shows how arguing the bible with people is pointless.
Without religion, people make up their own ideas and rules, therefore going into the immoral side. Oct 16, 2011 debating sports teams, politics, and religion is not the same. What aristotle, lincoln, and homer simpson can teach us about the art of persua. Goku vs superman is even more pointless though, due in part to just how overdone it is. Debating on things like sports and movies can be fun, but religion, politics, guns etc. After leaving islam with a history of conversions and theology research, i started wondering why debating islam is much more difficult than debating christianity. The argument is really very simple in fact, simplistic. Having been born a muslim, i was generally taught how to debunk christianity in the light of islam, which was equally ridiculous.
This is a concluding reflection on my series of 12 interviews with philosophers on religion. Jan 07, 2020 great, interesting, and controversial debate topics for middle, high school, and college students. But its true, you dont need a religion to be moral, you wouldnt even know most people are atheist agnostic unless you asked them mtndewlord. Im grateful to all of them for the intelligence, clarity and honesty with which they responded to my questions, and to the readers, who posted hundred of comments on each interview. In the case of whether god exists, we have two sides debating things that cant be proven either way. Debating religious liberty and discrimination paperback. Dec 24, 2014 why dont people understand that its useless to debate the topic. Its not because those debates are completely pointless. Top ten reasons why religion is pointless thetoptens. It is pointless debating with a christian if your purpose is to win an argument. Sadly, usually most americans dont have these debates at all, content to stay in our silos and never engage with those who disagree with us. May 25, 2011 most christians who say they believe in god really mean they believe in the bible. They only debate on matters they feel comfortable debating in.
Beliefs, especially beliefs that people based their entire life upon like theistic religions, inform the person of their morality and of their actions. Whereas if one sought to define meaninglessness and futility, the idea that a human life should be expended in the guilty, fearful, selfobsessed propitiation of supernatural nonentities but there, there. Debating religious liberty and discrimination the heritage. Man has been accustomed, ever since he was a boy, to having a dozen incompatible philosophies dancing about together inside his head. Why its pointless to argue about politics or religion worth sharing.
Pointless posts, raves n rants, obscure opinions topicsposts. So what if you know a language or more, or youve created something new, or if youve found the cure to cancer. This pointcounterpoint book brings together leading voices in the culture wars to debate such. As i describe in my book sex, mom and god that is how it was in my family. Does anyone find fictional debating to be pointless.
So when you tangle with either of them while arguing a particular religious or political point, you are essentially tangling with all that history, all that pain, all those. However, as wr23 put it, our debates are not for the purpose of convincing you of anything. Just to be clear, im not debating whether or not islam is tolerant of other religions, im just saying 3. I find the whole exercise of debating someone with beliefs that have no evidence or proof to be pointless. Coming up with a current and interesting debate topic can be tricky. Most christians who say they believe in god really mean they believe in the bible. In some ways, a debate is one of the most valuable ways to analyze the truth of any position. Great, interesting, and controversial debate topics for middle, high school, and college students.
Ryan anderson, sherif girgis, and john corvino model how to hold strong very strong opinions while debating others with respect. Debating religious liberty and discrimination, is a direct challenge to our cultural moment, opting for careful analysis over clickbait, mutual understanding over demonization, and clearly demarcated disagreement over sweeping dismissal. Media of debating christian religious epistemology. To me, theyre pointless because the average conservative is not going to become a liberal simply by debating political issues.
If debating believers is pointless, should atheists avoid speaking out, avoid debates, discussions or arguments with the religious people of the world. Religious topics and prayer used to be a part of the school curriculum and school days in the u. Bestselling author of 18 minutes, his most recent book is leading with emotional courage. Most of the time our hardwon vision of how the world works remains quietly concealed in our hearts. Why dont people understand that debating about the existence. What im open to are religious debates where the answers really are up in the air. His new book, whether discussing the poverty of spiritual language. Trying to do so all at one time is a flawed attack plan. I guess just talking to one would be the best bet there. Of course religion is an interesting case, especially with atheists.
After leaving islam with a history of conversions and theology research, i started wondering why debating islam is much more difficult than. Yet its always there, just below the surface, waiting to explode all over anyone foolish enough to challenge us with a severely. If the information suits their fancy they accept it no matter how absurd or useless it is, if it doesnt and it relates to religion they avoid any actual debate by retorting that they dont believe and thats why they are automatically superior. Debating religion the christianity myth argument the real foundational ideas on may 6, 2020 may 9, 2020 by ken thackerey in atheism, christianity, jerusalem resurrection, origins of christianity, resurrection of jesus, temporal lobe epilepsy, the christianity myth 5 comments. While religion is sometimes taught from a secular perspective, there isnt an emphasis on it as a study in school curriculum. The debate format, however, does have its weaknesses. Ive ever participated in political arguments, religious arguments. The argument the true path of religion, the true way of god, is one of moderation. Jan 18, 2019 livestreaming and debating jem with christians posted on january 18, 2019 by markbrahmin recently i livestreamed on the heel turn network with kaiser wayne and joachim, both wonderful guys, both believing christians. One reason that modernday debates between atheists and religious believers are so badtempered, tedious and infuriating is that neither side. Oct, 2014 this is a concluding reflection on my series of 12 interviews with philosophers on religion.
Im a religious person, and, i would love it if atheists were better at debating with me. It would not be pointless to debate these topics piecebypiece. We at the freedom from religion foundation are handling so. Provides students, nonspecialists, and scholars with innovative dialogues on central issues related to god and christianity. Why dont people understand that its useless to debate the topic. Livestreaming and debating jem with christians the. Lets practice debating in english iii preface this book will help the reader to understand the basics in debating and work on notetaking exercises and critical questions on a debate about legalizing euthanasia. Eventually everything will come to an end, and the thousands, million, billions or more years of existence.
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